Some Comments and Evaluations by Participants
(used with permission of course)
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Let me begin by introducing myself. I am Lynn Byank, Director of Technology
at Bryn Mawr School, a K-12 independent girls school in Baltimore,
Maryland. This is my sixteenth year at Bryn Mawr.
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I first heard about the C++ on-line programming course last spring through
an e-mail that was sent to the ISED list serve. I immediately sent a reply
of interest for two reasons. Bryn Mawr teaches an elective year course, AP
C++, but we do not offer an Intro to Programming course. I feel that the
lack of such a course is a weakness in the computer science department and I
was curious to learn about such an offering. Additionally, I wanted the
first hand experience of taking an on-line course.
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I am thoroughly enjoying the on-line C++ course; it has met all my
expectations and I am truly enjoying being a student again, although
sometimes it is a very humbling experience. My only regret is that I cannot
devote more time to learning C++. I am learning the code, but most
importantly I feel connected to my teachers and classmates. Even though the
classroom is without walls, it is a top priority of Steve's to have a
personal touch in the course. He does this with phone calls, e-mails,
streaming video, and chat sessions. In addition, both Steve and Ellie are
always available to answer our questions or walk us through those
programming exercises which can seem so intimidating to the novice
programmer. However, all we ever hear is encouragement and praise. I
believe that most on-line courses do not have the personal touch as does
this C++ course. It is due to the tremendous energy, motivation, and
determination of Steve and Ellie. Even though I haven't met him, I believe
Steve is a very unique individual, a truly gifted teacher, and he is truly
teaching an on-line course that should be used as a prototype for all
distance learning experiences. I can only imagine how very difficult it is
to get a pulse on your students when they are not within the traditional
classroom, not to mention that some students are in high school and others
are working full time at other schools, and in different time zones. It has
been a challenge to find the right pace for this class. I think some
classmates would like to forge ahead at a quicker pace while others need a
little more explanation. Steve is very flexible and asks for our input; he
also makes accommodations for our schedules and is more than willing to give
extensions on projects. Sure I feel overwhelmed at times, but I would be
feeling this way whether I took the C++ course or not. Just the pressure of
daily work and keeping up with the challenge of technology at Bryn Mawr is
enough to stress me out. However, all I need to do is ask Steve or Ellie
for help or additional time. I feel supported in every way possible. At
the suggestion of my classmates, Steve decided to hold class three times a
week rather than every day. Certainly, he is listening to us and
understands our needs.
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In my opinion the C++ textbook is very good. I find it readable with good
explanations and sufficient examples of programming code. My only
suggestion would be that the text have "answers" to some of the programming
exercises in each chapter. However, to accommodate this request from one of
my classmates, Steve and Ellie post the answers on Noblesnet for us to
review. An excellent alternative!
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Because I am motivated and determined to learn C++, I am spending hours each
week reading, understanding, and learning code. However, I miss learning
with all my senses. Over the years I have discovered that I learn best when
I use many different methods. Reading the textbook I do not hear the C++
vocabulary or hear how words such as "cout", "cin", iostream.h are
pronounced. But Steve came to the rescue again with the streaming video
PowerPoint presentations on the web. I can hear the important vocabulary,
as well as the key areas of coding. Since I have a cable modem at home and
a T1 Internet connection at Bryn Mawr, it is very easy for me to access the
video and I can review it as often as I choose. In addition Steve, Ellie,
and Andrew made an audiotape on Chapter four indicating important topics in
the chapter. My needs as a learner are being met - I am reading, I am
hearing, and I am doing.
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I haven't mentioned the personal feedback that Ellie gives us on our
assignments and chapter tests. For each chapter we submit notes from our
readings to our teammates and the C++ teachers. Because our teammates can
only use the notes from one another and not personal notes on tests, I
believe we all take extra steps in making our notes complete. Ellie gives
us suggestions about what we did well and suggestions for improvement. The
same holds true for individual programming assignments on each chapter and
of course the chapter tests. The beginning chapter tests were easier than
the most recent, because the content is becoming more difficult. I
personally do not like multiple-choice questions but we have a combination
of multiple choice and programming exercises. Certainly the tests are very
fair and we have a reasonable time frame within which to take the test.
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At this point, I don't think it is difficult for you to know that I am
REALLY enjoying this course and would recommend it to another colleague or
student. My only suggestion would be to start the course earlier in the
year so it does not meet into spring. My demands at Bryn Mawr seem to
dramatically increase in the spring and I am very glad that this course will
be completed by May 1, although a completion date of April 1st would be much
better for me. I believe $500 is a very reasonable fee and I think $750
would not be off limit. Bryn Mawr is paying for my course from professional
development funds and I'm not sure whether smaller schools could swing
$1,000, if that were the case.
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Of course I must include a note about Steve’s humor. I am truly convinced
that one cannot work successfully in technology or even education unless
they have a good sense of humor. Steve certainly does and we are right
there with him. Of course I have learned more than I ever wanted to know
about the Boston Celtics and it has been refreshing to think about the
number 33 in many different modes. Steve teases all of us about being OCD
but also lets us know it is healthy to be concerned about details and
deadlines. However, we must communicate with him when we are truly stressed.
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As a result of this course, I recently made a proposal to the Teaching and
Learning committee at Bryn Mawr for a new computer science semester course
next year, Introduction to Programming. The course has been approved and I
am very excited to say that I will be back in the classroom co-teaching the
course with a colleague. Rather than meeting 5/10 days, the course will
meet 4/10 days and the other twenty percent will be an on-line component
including streaming video, e-mails, and chat sessions. I will use Steve's
course as a model, but I must be realistic and take "baby" steps. I truly
believe that on-line learning can be effective with the right teacher and
with motivated students. I do not believe it is the best approach to
learning and teaching for every student.
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I will be attending the NAIS conference in Boston and am pleased that I will
have an opportunity to meet Steve and Ellie.
Lynn S. Byank, Director of Technology
Bryn Mawr School, Baltimore, MD 21210
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- I am a teacher from Convent of the Sacred Heart in Greenwich, CT.
Teaching is a second/third career for me (after actuary and stay-at-home
mom); I have been in education for 10 years now. I started out teaching
math and computers; I am currently the Director of Educational Technology,
implementing our laptop program and teaching one technology elective in
HTML/JavaScript.
- I took programming in college (using punch cards - need I say more?) and
have taught both TrueBasic and VisualBasic during the past ten years. I have never taken an online course before. I heard about this course
through the ISED listserv. I decided to sign up for it for two reasons:
first, here at CSH we are very interested in exploring the potential of
distance learning and I thought that participating as a student in an
online course would give me valuable perspective; and second, I want to
offer a computer science curriculum here at CSH leading eventually to the
AP exam so I needed to learn C++.
- My overall reaction to this course is a positive one. I was not sure
what to expect so I did not have clear expectations, but I would have to
say that the course has met/exceeded any expectations that I did have. I
have found the pace of the course very reasonable.
I find that I really like the independent nature of an online course -
being able to schedule work around my own schedule. What do I value? That
would be the EXTRAORDINARY attention, dedication, enthusiasm and devotion
that Steve and Ellie have given to every aspect of this course - I just
can't say enough about that. I really don't have any suggestions to
improve the course that Steve and Ellie haven't already implemented. Some
adjustments in the procedure have been made as we go along (ex. moving
from having notes 5 days a week to 3 days a week; requiring a response to
each note and sharing them with the whole group; having the chapter
exercises due before the chapter test) and I think that each of these
adjustments have had (or will have) a positive impact on the course. I am
conscious that we are the first group to move through this course and it
is interesting to watch Steve and Ellie "tweak" and fine-tune the
procedural piece of it - I think their instincts are right on target as
far as continually improving the experience for everyone.
- E-mail: The M-W-F emails are the mainstay of the course I think. This is
where our assignments are outlined, and content introduced and explained.
At the beginning I sometimes found it difficult to search out exactly what
was expected of us in the way of assignments, but in the past couple of
months the e-mails have been structured to lay that out very clearly.
Having us responsible for sending a response to each e-mail within 48
hours was a very good idea I think. The e-mails can be very lengthy and
for a while there I was just skimming them with the good intention of
returning to read them more thoroughly "when I had time" which of course
never came. Now I make it a point to read each one thoroughly within a day
or so, and as a result I feel on track and connected.
- Streaming video: The videos serve two purposes I think. First, they impart
information, usually reinforcement of something that we have already read,
perhaps in preparation for a test. Just as importantly however, they "put
a face to a name" for us. I have known Steve for a number of years now
through SummerCore, but had never met Ellie or Andrew, and I wouldn't like
the idea of going through this course with no idea of what they look or
sound like. Through the videos, I feel as though I know them now too.
- Phone conversations: These are always welcome, and fun, especially when
Steve calls from the grocery store and you get to help him choose the type
of cheese that he is going to buy:) The phone calls are a significant
investment of time for Steve I imagine, but I know that he has made a
commitment to speak with each of us on a regular basis. I certainly enjoy
speaking with Steve, but I'm not sure that he needs to put that much
pressure on himself. I think the frequent phone calls are a pleasure, but
not essential to the course.
- Textbook: I like the text. It seems clear and well laid out, with a
variety of problems.
- Audio tape: I thoroughly enjoyed the audio tape. I listened to it in the
car on the way to and from work and found myself wishing that it was a
regular series! It was one more mode of communicating the content of that
chapter, and I found it very helpful. Although I couldn't see Steve and
Ellie and Andrew, the audio tape had an advantage in that it could be
longer than the video streaming segments.
- As I mentioned above, the time and effort that Steve and Ellie have
put into this course has been INCREDIBLE. As a participant, I have the
sense that they are truly dedicated to making this course the best
experience it can possibly be for each of us. They are very knowledgeable
and it is obvious that they are excellent teachers - this comes through in
each mode of communication they use. They are flexible and fair, and very
receptive to requests for extensions/variations on the assignments as long
as we follow through and keep up our end of the bargain. Their sense of
humor is a pleasure, and has truly enhanced the experience of this course.
Rating the tools of learning:
Textbook - 45 (not that the text is the most enjoyable part of this
course, but in reality it probably imparts more information than any other
component)
E-mails - 40
Videos - 10
Phone calls/audio tape - 5
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- As I mentioned above, this course has been a very positive experience
for me, so you might say that it makes me more of a believer in
online/distance learning. My hesitation in jumping on the bandwagon
however, is that I feel that the quality of this experience is a direct
result of the individuals giving this course i.e. I attribute its success
to the exceptional work of Steve and Ellie. It's not that different from a
classroom situation, is it? It's been my experience that the success of a
traditional class depends heavily on the individual standing at the front
of that room - on that teacher's knowledge, dedication, innovation,
management style, and on their love of the job. So it is with this course
- because this one is a success does not mean that I would be an advocate
for any distance learning situation (although I would certainly recommend
this one!)
- That said, there are some interesting elements to a distance learning
course I think. A student's organizational skills, responsibility, degree
of independence, and ability to follow through are all put to the test,
and for those who fall short in these areas, there is nowhere to hide as
it were. In an online course the student is in charge of their own
learning to a greater degree than in most traditional classrooms. A great
many students wriggle around the issue of accountability, and I would
suggest that any situation where students must take more responsibility
for their actions/non-actions is a good experience for them.
- Enjoyment - Yes
All-improve - I can only speak for myself, but I certainly feel that I
have improved and get the sense that we are all moving along
Skills - Getting better all the time :)
Teamwork - I have had some e-mail exchanges with others in the course
(most recently with two other teachers that are considering adding a C++
course to their curriculum next year - we exchanged some ideas) but most
of my communication has been with the instructors. I attribute this to the
element of TIME - just finding time to attend to the requirements of the
course has been a challenge with the demands of work and home. I feel as
though developing relationships with others in the course is a luxury that
I haven't been able to afford time-wise. That's one of the reasons that I
enjoy reading everyone's response to the M-W-F e-mails; it allows me to
feel connected to everyone else in the class even if I'm not able to have
one-on-one dialogs with each of them.
- I hope that I have covered everything above. Bottom line is that I
have no regrets in signing up for this course, despite the time crunch
that it causes in my life from time to time. The course is of the highest
quality, thanks to the exceptional work of the instructors - I am enjoying
it, I am learning a lot about C++ and a lot about the experience of online
learning. It is worth the late nights!
Gail Casey, Convent of the Sacred Heart
Greenwich CT 06831
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- My thoughts on the C++ course. I have been teaching for 25 years and the idea of an
online/email/remote course sparked my interest. It
concerned me that the lack of personal interaction
between the course takers and the teachers might
present a problem. I know that the administration at
my school (Colorado Academy) were concerned that my
teaching would become depersonalized when I added some
tutorials to my own webpage. I had to explain that the
tutorials were remedial and not intended to replace my
classroom activities.
- With regard to the C++ course, I have made connections
with both the other students and the teachers via our
extensive emails. I am, however , a self-starter and
the two students at my school who are also taking the
course may not share my feelings. The phone calls I
have received from Steve Bergen have connected me with
a voice to go with the face I see on my computer
screen. Steve has an engaging personality and is a
"character". His comments about his dog's activities,
his obsession with Larry Bird etc. have gone a long
way to humanize the course. I enjoy having him as a
teacher. He and Ellie work very hard at this course
and are conscientious to a fault.
- With regard to the content: I am finding the material
easy enough to deal with, but I have considerable
experience with other programming languages. Both of
the students at Colorado Academy who are also in the
course, have had programming experience as well. This
may not make us good judges of how easy it might be to
start programming from square one in this long
distance manner. From my point of view the course is
running well. It supplies me with instruction and
things to prepare and I get quick feed back on the
assignments I turn in and any questions I pose. I feel
the pace is appropriate. The streaming video component
is useful, as are the audio tapes that are sent to us.
If I were less experienced these would probably be
even more helpful.
- We are asked to respond to each lesson with comments
and a summary of the content. While this can be a
little tedious at times I can see that the teacher
might otherwise feel he was yelling into a vacuum. I
can appreciate the need for a response from one's
students.
- After chapter 4 we were faced with a lot of
programming assignments in the form of problems at the
end of the chapter. Some students stated that this
assignment might be better spread out, with feedback
coming between turned in problems. The problems after
chapter 5 are being set in groups of 3, and this is a
better plan. This is an example of feedback from the
students being acted upon by the teachers.
- I am pleased with the course and glad I am taking it
from the point of view of learning C++. It has also
given me lots to think about regarding the use of the
computer in distance learning with streaming video and
email. If you would like me to respond to any specific
questions you have but to ask.
Charles Coleman, Colorado Academy, Biology and Physics Teacher
Denver, Colorado 80235
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- My Name is Pablo Baques. I am a Computer Science teacher at St George's
School this year. I am lurking Steve Bergen's on-line C++ course, since it
was already full when I tried to join it. I took a course on line from IDE
instead (http://www.studio-cplus.com/), since I had a great need of
firming up my knowledge of C++ before teaching a class this semester. I am
in a good position to compare both on-line courses.
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I am writing to express a couple of ideas on my very positive evaluation
of Steve's course.
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I would not be fair if I did not start this with a strong praise for Steve
himself. He leads the pack of "climbers" with superb style. One which
undoubtedly requires a lot of energy and dedication. I find him a thorough
teacher (sherpa?) and a true source of inspiration.
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Steve's vision that teaching and learning are the result of good
relationships becomes a tangible, concrete strategy in every message he
puts out.
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Through the copies of the messages I receive I have become acquainted with
each of the participants in the course. I have a mental picture of each
one, I relate to each personality. It is almost as if a novel, no, a play,
is being written in front of your very eyes while you watch these people
struggle through the intricacies of learning and teaching a programming
language. This "play", in turn, is a great "driver" of the C++ content. I
see great potential for this way of teaching as we all become more used to
electronic communications.
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This blending of personalities and knowledge exchanges became even more
apparent in the only transcript I received from one of the courses
"chats". I have compared reading the chat transcript to one of those
gimmicks where a bunch of nails reproduce the profile of your hand or your
face being pressed into them at the other end. in such a way I did see the
personality and thoughts of the chat participants emerge from the
characters of the text. Unfortunately, due to lack of time from
participants, chats have been discontinued!
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Since this is an unrequested comment, I wish to keep it reasonably short
out of electronic courtesy. But please feel free to come back to me for
additional comments if you so desire. I am a great believer of the future
of electronic communications in education and I am always ready for
exchanges on the subject.
I thank Nobles for the opportunity of participating as a lurker in this
great experience.
Sincerely,
Pablo Baques, St. George's School, Newport RI
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Other Distance Learning Courses (and More Info)
Feel free to send me an e-mail regarding any questions or comments. Upon request, I can put you in touch with specific people in the 2000-2001 course. For obvious reasons, I did not want to put their e-mail addresses on this web page. They get way too much e-mail just from me and Ellie in our C++ course ;-)
-- Steve Bergen (e-mail: bergen@nobles.edu) --
- From ISED listserv: We had the same situation this year with Statistics AP - one student
and no faculty member to direct study or to teach a class. I
explored online options and discovered APEX Learning. They have
quite a few courses available and our student is doing well. It is
not for everyone though and takes self-motivation and discipline.
The student taking the class this year is one of our top students and
has handled the situation well. APEX keeps me informed of progress
on a weekly basis and has good service support for the school and
student. I was nervous about the whole thing early on but am feeling
a bit more comfortable with the idea now. It may be an option for
some students.
-- Joe Lennertz,
Academic Dean,
Wayland Academy,
Beaver Dam, WI
- We are looking at distance learning to supplement our course offerings.
For example, we have a few students who want to take AP French or AP
Calculus BC, but not enough to justify a class. I am hoping that a
distance learning course would be the solution.
-- Philip E. Sanders, Director of Instructional Technology, The Prairie School
Racine, WI
- check out APEX Learning's website at www.apex.netu.com; they have about 15-16 AP courses online.
IMHO, an online delivery is a much different animal than synchronous mode
classes with located teachers. Not every high schooler can work with at best
an indirect supervision. APEX recognizes that and has come up with some
pretty innovative structures to assist a student, provide assessment, and
keep them on-task.
-- Rick Bauer, The Hill School, PA
- Hi, Steve. I am always happy to see announcements of your work. As a
Summercore alum, I really value what you do folks do. I have some online
course experience I'd love others to know about. Last year a handful of my
colleagues at Brookwood and I took several courses -- Teaching for
Understanding and Assessing for Understanding. This past fall semester, I
worked as an online coach for the program. It has been a useful, engaging,
top-quality experience for me. Perhaps others will be interested in future
offerings, which are and will continue to be expanded.
Please visit wideworld.pz.harvard.edu where you may:
Learn about WIDE World, Learn about our online courses, Learn about our faculty
-- Martha Fox, Brookwood School (mfox@brookwood.edu)
- check out www.newhorizons.com
- Park Tudor School's distance learning website up and running. I believe they have a C++ Online course in their course offerings.
Part Tudor in Indiana (home of French Lick) ... www.parktudor.pvt.k12.in.us
We would be pleased if you would direct this information to anyone who
might be interested in opportunities such as this.
We would be pleased if you would direct this information to anyone who
might be interested in opportunities such as this.
Ryan Ritz
Park Tudor School
rritz@parktudor.pvt.k12.in.us
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I'm not an educator by profession, but I've taken lots of courses
online, and would be happy to share experiences if that would help your
reporting. I'm an engineer by training, a mega-proposal manager by
profession, and a flight instructor by hobby, so I guess I have some hands-on
teaching experience after all. I need to make it clear that I'm speaking
only for myself -- not for my Board, my Head, or anyone else at the school.
Best regards -- Margie Power, Chair, Board of Trustees
Bridges Academy, Sherman Oaks, CA 91411
- Type of Delivery? Internet-based -- some static solo tutorials, some instructor-led but
asynchronous, through SmartPlanet, ElementK, and Macromedia's subset of
ElementK. Nearly all were in technical areas related to Web design --
especially Macromedia Flash, Director, Fireworks, and Dreamweaver.
- I'm taking these classes both as training (i.e. to learn new skills) and as a
broader-based education. I'm very left-brained and auditory rather than
visual. As the world becomes more right-brained and more visual, I'm falling
out of step. I've been wondering if my right brain is actually usable, or if
it's just a vestigial remnant like my appendix. I'm trying to awaken it. So
far, the jury is still out on whether it's working.
- People in classes -- anywhere from a dozen to about 150. Cost -- either
pay-as-you-go at about $20-30 each, or an annual subscription of about
$100/year for unlimited access.
- Effectiveness -- highly variable. Static tutorials are excellent for
learning skills -- how to create an animated GIF with Flash, for example.
However, there's no human interaction.
- Instructor-led classes are very dependent on size. In a smallish class, the
class proceeds as I imagine the instructor envisioned it. The instructor's
personality comes through.
- In the big 100+ classes, the class is more dominated by classmates. If the
instructor posts discussion questions each week, there are up to 100 sets of
responses to read and review. Several will contain URLs to go visit. The
instructor begins to fade into the background. It's probably more like war.
The instructor has a plan at the start, but it's overtaken by events the minute
the real action starts. This is still educational, but it's far harder to
predict exactly what each student will experience.
- I believe that schools should CONSIDER outsourcing some portion of their
subject matter -- to distance education, to other similar schools, to local
junior colleges, whatever. This is one insight from the larger business world
that can be useful to schools -- focus on core competencies and outsource what
you're not good at. For example, a school might wish for more AP classes than
the existing faculty can reasonably provide. Outsource that; send the kids to
a junior college, subscribe to an online class, trade with another school.
- But I'm shocked by the few instances of totally online schools below the
college level. Part of the advantage of school is that kids are regularly
exposed to good people, i.e. the faculty, whose life is not dominated by money
and shallow concerns. Most teachers I know are genuinely concerned with kids,
learning, and emotional and intellectual growth. Kids have few enough heroes
and role models today. Even if the kids profess disrespect for their teachers,
they'll look back later and realize their influence.
- Steve -- You may also enjoy the online Table of Contents for Designing
Web-Based Training by William Horton. I haven't read the book, but I find the
outline useful as a structure for thinking.
www.horton.com/whcsiteOLD/index.htm
- See our Distance Learning Page on www.summercore.com for more info!